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Episode 19: From Burnout to Bulletproof - How David Bell Left Corporate to Build REAL Health for Entrepreneurs

• Grant Hutchby • Season 1 • Episode 19

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In this powerful conversation, I sit down with David Bell, founder of RE:AL MAN. A transformational health and leadership movement for entrepreneurs ready to take full ownership of their strength, mindset, and impact.

After years in the corporate machine, David hit rock bottom: financially successful but deeply unfulfilled. What followed was a complete reinvention. One that took him from burnout and self-destruction to becoming a high-performance health coach for driven entrepreneurs.

Now, through the RE:AL MAN Blueprint, David helps entrepreneurs master their body, sharpen their mind, and lead with character. This isn’t about getting shredded or chasing dopamine hits. It’s about building the foundation for true strength, inside and out.

If you want to get in touch with David, please reach out on LinkedIn by clicking here

If you’re a successful but stuck entrepreneur feeling drained, disconnected, or like something is missing, this episode will hit home. You’ll walk away with simple, sustainable actions that will reignite your energy and reclaim your performance.

🔥 What you'll hear:

  • David's pivotal moment of walking away from the corporate world
  • Why your energy leaks are costing you money, clarity, and control
  • The REAL reason most entrepreneurs stay stuck in a body they hate
  • How to get results without grinding yourself into the ground
  • Why strength is not toxic, and why we need more strong men with strong character
  • The myth of hustle culture and the truth about real productivity
  • How David built a sustainable health system for long-term performance
  • His 3-step roadmap for reclaiming your body without overwhelm

🔓 This episode is a must-listen for entrepreneurs who:

  • Are tired of waking up low on energy
  • Want to lead with more certainty, clarity, and confidence
  • Believe that health is the foundation of success
  • Want to build a body and business that LASTS

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KG SHORT STAY:

What was the pivotal moment that made you want to leave the corporate world?

Unknown:

I think it was cumulative that I never really enjoyed the corporate world. I listened to something the other day, and they said, if you want to be great at anything, you have to accept that you're going to be shit at first. For me, I was able to sit covid out. I was financially secure. I didn't have to worry about working or how getting an income, and I could take the time to really think about, okay, what are the things that I value? What do I want to spend my time doing going forward? I knew the corporate world. I wanted to burn that bridge. There was no way I want to go back to that your ability to have a positive mindset, to be able to learn new skills, is dramatically reduced if you feel like shit every day when you wake up.

KG SHORT STAY:

Welcome to the carnivore Entrepreneur Show where health unlocks true wealth. It's time to reclaim your strength, ignite your energy and live life with purpose, master your body, sharpen your mind and dominate your path. Live life how it's supposed to be, lived on your terms. Let's go Hi and welcome to the carnivore Entrepreneur Show. I'm your host, Grant Hutchby, the carnivore entrepreneur, and I'm here with Dave Bell. Dave, introduce yourself to everyone, because I don't want to take away your

Unknown:

glory. Sure. Hi everyone. I'm Dave Bell. I'm the founder of Real man. I'm a former corporate career guy turned men's peak health and performance coach. Excellent, short synopsis

KG SHORT STAY:

that was very short and sweet. Love it. I'm sure we'll get into a lot more detail throughout the next 45 minutes or so. So I always start off these with one question, and the carnivore entrepreneur show is all about meat muscles, mindset and money. Obviously, it's a little bit deeper than that, but it flows nicely with all the M's. What qualifies you to be a carnivore entrepreneur?

Unknown:

Good question. I think so. With real man, the focus is on being a complete human, of being a man that's strong in body, strong in mind, and strong in character. And for that, then obviously you need to be able to you need to be building that body with good fuel. And I do like a steak. And you also need to be building that mind. You need to fuel the mind, and you need to be building that character. So that's my qualification, is I, I'm, I'm committed to building the full human

KG SHORT STAY:

excellent, excellent, really good answer. And, and actually, you know, the pillars that you work by in real man has a lot of similarities to what I'm trying to do with the carnivore entrepreneur. Little bit different in terms of what we're doing, but definitely similar principles, which, you know, is one of the reasons why I invited you onto this show. So let's, let's, let's, let's reverse time a little bit so you and I go back a little bit to assurion days. Which, which, which, what feels like an age ago now.

Unknown:

It was a bit of an age ago. Yeah, yeah. Done. It done a lot

KG SHORT STAY:

since then. So what was, what was the pivotal moment that made you want to leave the corporate world, not necessarily start this particular business, but what made you want to go down this road? I

Unknown:

think it was cumulative, that I never really enjoyed the corporate world. There were there were moments for sure, and when I was focused on climbing the ladder and moving forwards. Then it was there were enjoyable times, but I got sick to death of the politics that surrounds the corporate world. You have to do be seen to be doing this. You have to be seen to be turning up. It's more about what things look like than actual output and quality. And as an autistic man, that kind of I can only, I can only mask that for so long. And the pivotal moment, I think, was I went through quite a dark period for a couple of years. I hate I was doing well financially, things looked great, good, relationship, blah, blah, blah, but I was really freaking miserable, unfulfilled. I was working for a lunatic of a boss. It was hard, you know, cut like the clients we were dealing with were not our biggest fans, and so I was. I was battling a lot of things on all fronts, and I was kind of caught in this treadmill of a lot of people, right? You're earning quite a lot of money, but I was spending near as much as I was earning at that point. And I remember my car. I remember paying my car finance off, and then thinking, Oh, I can buy a new car. And this was early 2018 and I was stuck in this treadmill, and I thought, something needs to change. I wasn't happy, and I'd had for years Think and Grow Rich, sat on the shelf, and I'd never read it. I'd heard about it in I think I read Rich Dad, Poor Dad years before, and I'm sure in the back of that book, he mentions Think and Grow Rich. And I picked it up, and I thought, I'm and I kind of started it a few times, and never read it. And I got the audio book, and I started listening to it in the car on the way to work. And around that time when I was thinking, I'm gonna buy a new car, I was stood in the Volvo dealership one day, having multiple days of negotiating on this car, back and forth with this guy. And I was stood there while he went off to go and ask some more questions again. And I thought, What the hell am I doing? What What am I doing? And I just turned around and walked out. And it was partly because of that book, it started to change my mind, and started to change the way I was thinking. And realised that although up until that point, I'd been focusing on, you know, building muscle, going to the gym, getting strong, I hadn't done any work up here, so I might I was, I had a limitation of how I could perform. I was doing pretty well, but I hadn't. I needed to check if I wanted to move further. I needed to change the way I was thinking. And that that was the pivotal moment, I think, was that I went through that book three times in a row, and it was like a spiritual experience for me, I kind of, I can't even explain, the transformation. It led me on a massive path of personal development from that point and I discovered people like Jim Rohn and various other thought leaders, I guess, in the personal development space. And I spent a lot of time from that point forwards, then investing heavily in myself, like colossal amounts of money into myself.

KG SHORT STAY:

It is amazing, like when you do look back and see how much money you've spent on you, but that's the biggest investment, best investment you can ever make, is on yourself, isn't it?

Unknown:

Well, you could, you can only make, you can only make your decisions based off of the information you have available to you. So if you want to make better decisions, you need to have more data inputs, more more sources of perspective for which you can draw upon to make those decisions, to see what's possible, because otherwise you still get stuck in your own little world. And you know, like a lot of people, I was stuck in that mindset of going through the like waking up Monday, feeling like crap, dreading the whole week getting to Friday. Can't wait till the end of the day drinking, drink Saturday, spend all day Sunday, dreading Monday, and repeat that on the cycle. Yeah, and it was horrendous, and I knew that I had to get out of that, but I knew that I obviously couldn't do it immediately. So I made, I started to make financial plans from that point forward. So I didn't go and buy the new car. I kept the car I had that was perfectly fine, and I cut back on my spending. I started to syphon money off and put it into pots. And very quickly it started to grow, because I was earning good money. As soon as she's up, spending loads of money, it kind of starts to pile up quite quickly. So I made preparations for the end to appear I knew that the business I was working at, there was likely to be an opportunity for redundancy at some point in the not too distant future. So I was preparing for that. And then beginning of 2020, that opportunity appeared, and I was prepared financially, but I wouldn't say I was prepared in other ways, right? I didn't have a plan because I didn't have a plan because I didn't know it was going to happen. Yeah, so, and that was the beginning of 2020, and you know what happened? Three months later, covid happened. The thing, you know, everything went

KG SHORT STAY:

crazy, nuts, man, like when I when I quit assurion, I found out that about four months after I left everyone in our account got redundancy, and then covid hit. I was like, oh, fuck sake. I could have stayed in and just had a load more money.

Unknown:

I know it was. It was fortuitous timing in many ways, because, I mean, realistically for me, I was able to sit covid out. I was financially secure. I didn't have to worry. About working, or how getting an income, and I could take the time to really think about, okay, what are the things that I value? What do I want to spend my time doing? Going forwards? I knew the corporate world, I wanted to burn that bridge. There was no way I want to go back to that. I just see so many, and I see so many people now that are kind of unfulfilled and miserable because of that machine. And I thought, There's no way I want to go back to that. But what the hell do I do? And so I started to retrain myself, and I went through Tony Robbins coaching school. So I got certified through by Tony and Chloe, and I started working with people to help them and impart the kind of the knowledge and the skills that I'd developed over time and my perspectives and along with the skills I learned. And as I was going through that, I kind of realised that there's a lot of focus on the mindset, rightly so, but it's really hard to have a good mindset if the foundation isn't there, if your energy doesn't exist, because your health isn't there. And I found I was working with a lot of people who what they really need to do first of all was actually get health somewhat in a better place. They needed to kind of get there. For a lot of people, it means losing some weight, building the fitness, building some strength, and getting the energy back, getting vitality back, because your ability to have a positive mindset, to be able to learn new skills, is dramatically reduced. If you feel like shit every day when you wake up like he's only got so much energy, right? And everything else, if you've got a niggle and a pain, that's like a imagine, I said this to a guy the other day, imagine, like your health is like a bucket that holds your energy. And if you've got little holes appearing in there, you can never fill it back up. And the more holes you get, the less you're able to fill it up, and the faster it pulls out. You know, if you've got a bit of an ache and a pain, you think, oh, it's not that much, but it's drawing energy out of you every single day. Yeah, yeah, right. So your ability to perform goes down. That means, do you show up in your business at your best, probably not the knock on effect is, does the business perform? Do your Do you snap at your colleagues or employees, or whatever, to clients? Do you, do you interact well with clients when you go home? Do you snap at your partner? Do you snap at the kids? Do like all of these things that the knock on effect, because your health isn't where it needs to be. I think people need to focus so much it's not valued enough. I don't think health within entrepreneur circles, within business in general, that it be the health is that foundation, right? It's the rocket fuel, the potential for everything else, like you can't do the other stuff without that in

KG SHORT STAY:

place. Yeah, I absolutely agree. I mean, one thing that I wrote about in my book was this whole hustle culture that is being promoted about grind, grind, grind, work, work, work, work, work, until you make it. But actually what happens is you become less and less productive over time because your health is declining. And actually, instead of doing 100 hour weeks, if you were to do 30 hour weeks, but those 30 hours were the absolute highest performance that you can possibly perform at you'll probably end up being more productive than the 100 hours, 100%

Unknown:

100% because there's no way you might be able to go flat out for a couple of weeks. But anyone who's ever done that, you know, there's a crash, right? You kind of get these, get an energy burst. You go wake up early work, struggle to finish so, struggle to stop when the evening comes around. But that happens to me, and I know if I do that, I've got probably 10 days in me, and then

KG SHORT STAY:

that's it. That's use it when, when there's a critical moment, you know exactly, and you know that it's in your tank to do it. It's not you're doing it every week, week in, week out, because that's the norm. You do it when you have to, when there's a business crisis or something that is absolutely pressing, you know that you've got it to be able to do it.

Unknown:

Yeah, 100% you've only got a finite amount of energy that's got to go across all of the different areas of your life. It's got to go across your business or career or whatever during the day. It's got to be there for your family before you know either end of that day you've got friends, relationships and other things you want to do, and I think you've got to really focus on building. Your health as much as possible. And I think one of the issues in the health and fitness space is it's all about weight loss. It's kind of weight loss has been associated with health and not the same thing, right? You You can eat Mars bars and pizza and still lose weight. You're not going to perform very well. That's the problem. And I think we need to really start to focus in because the industry is not doing a great job, right? It's not doing a great job. There's thirds of people are now overweight or obese in the UK. It's worse in the States. If this, if the industry was doing a good job, that wouldn't be the case. So something needs to change, and I think it needs to be the focus on health, and health being a lifelong thing. Like the problem with the weight loss angle is it's all full of headlines of lose 2030, pounds in the next 12 weeks. You can do that. It's hard work, but you can do it. You get to the end, and then what you just stop. You go back to what you were doing, and the yo yo continues. Right? Yeah, I want to go. We need to go against that kind of 12 week thing. If you, if you got to a place where you need to do something about your health, it doesn't have to be immediate, right, right? You've got to, you know what? I mean, it's like slow and steady. Wins the race. Be sustainable. This isn't about a something you do for a period of time. It's something you've got to do for the rest of your life. And the artificial nature of our modern world, where everything's really, really bloody easy. It's really easy to sit down, it's really easy to eat too much, means that we now have to artificially create movement? Yeah, absolutely

KG SHORT STAY:

challenge. We don't, don't hunt for our food anymore. Do we

Unknown:

don't work on a farm like we don't bake in lakes. So we now have to, we've done so much work to make our lives easy that we're now weak. So we've got, we've now got to embrace strength like strength is the foundation of everything else in health and fitness, in fitness, and you know, strength and fitness, so the conditioning fitness, strength is the mother skill of all other skills, right? You build strength, and you layer on top of that power and speed and endurance, but you need to be physically strong enough in the first place. And the same is true from a mind, from a mental side of things, right? You need mental strength if you're like, like I did when I was struggling, and I didn't have the mental strength. I was mentally weak. I didn't know how to use this thing, and I had to learn the skills a bit like you go walk into a gym. You're not going to go and pick 100 kilos off the ground on day one, but over a few months, right? With a plan and a goal to do that, you can, little by little, increase the weight. You get stronger bit by bit. And most people, most men, within six months, could probably go from zero to picking 100 kilos off the floor. Yeah, right? The same is true for mental strength, right? There's no There's a weird thing about no one would be if you'd never been to the gym, you wouldn't be ashamed that you couldn't pick 100 kilos off the floor, you wouldn't give a monkeys, right? But if you can't handle the stress of life, men seem to feel, particularly men, that there's some kind of shame in saying, I don't know how to do this, but strength starts with acknowledging that thing, right? Yeah, that's where comes from. We acknowledge don't know how to do it, but the answers out there, yeah,

KG SHORT STAY:

I listened to something the other day and they said, if you want to be great at anything, you have to accept that you're going to be shit at first 100%

Unknown:

was it Alex or Moses says you've got to, you've got to, you've got to suck 100 times in a row, and it's hard, it is hard, right? But I think we've got to really change that narrative and the stigma, particularly when it comes to men, that actually it's not toxic to be strong, it's not toxic to be masculine, and it's not shameful to not have the strength. Now, what is shame? What is what you're shameful is to try and avoid building that strength, right and see it as a negative thing, because it's not a negative thing, like you've either strong or you're weak. Now, which one would you rather be? Like strength, for me is resilience first and foremost. Like, if you've got a strong body, and I mean, I don't mean just physically strong, you'd have to be a power lifter or a bodybuilder or anything. It's about, it's about physical health and resilience, right? That's when I, when I say a strong body. Mean, I mean, you're you've got energy. You're not feeling like you're beaten up your cape. You can do all the correctly, well. You could do the things you want to do, like, you know, as you get older, if you don't do that, you end up, you Oh, I can't do that because there's too many steps. I can't go there like you end up limiting yourself. So strength is resilience, but it's also choice weakness. I see as being a limitation. You are restricting yourself from being able to do things on a physical standpoint and mentally, right? So the same I apply the same thinking for the strong mind is strength is resilience first and foremost, because life is tough, right? And it's not going to get any easier, as Jim Rohn said, don't wish it was easier. Wish you were better. Yeah, that's it. Has that stuck with me forever, because if you're waiting for the world to get easier and you want an extraordinary life, the two things don't match, right? So level one is you need to be able to be resilient for the stuff that's going to come at you involuntarily, because it's going to come shit is going to happen. People are going to die, businesses are going to fail, stuff, stuff's going to go wrong, right? And you've got to be able to withstand that and take it and respond to it with emotional intelligence. But then there's another level, which says if you want more, then you're going to have to put yourself into deliberate discomfort, deliberate challenge. You're going to have to start a business that 90% will fail. You're going to have to do stuff that's going to be hard, but you can't do that if you haven't done if you're not doing the work, right?

KG SHORT STAY:

Yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely. We've touched on quite a few pillars there, yeah, with body and mind, but we'll go through the pillars a little bit. So what was some of the first sort of physical changes that you made initially, when you realised you you had an issue to reclaim your sort of strength and energy. What were the first sort of steps that you

Unknown:

took? So mine's been it was a bit of a journey, to be fair, right? So in my 20s, I was not prioritising health and well being. I was smoking, drinking, doing, coke, pills, ketamine, the list was long and distinguished. As I was going to Glastonbury, I was in a band like I was not prioritising my

KG SHORT STAY:

felt invincible.

Unknown:

I just, I just, I was just, I was just ignorant, until, like a lot of people, I got to I was coming up to my 30th birthday, and it tends to be, people tend to make changes when there's significant birthday milestones, like 3040, 5060, or career change, or relationship ends, or the doctor says you're in trouble, right? So for me, I just come back from Glastonbury. It was 2009 and there was a photograph of me. In fact, it's still on Facebook. I'm pretty sure of me, no shirt on, with a can of side of Strongbow in one hand and a fag in the other. And I was just, oh yeah. I wasn't fat. I was just, I was skinny fat. I was just unhealthy. Yeah. And I looked to myself, and I thought, Where will I be in 10 years if I don't do something about this now? So I went and joined the gym, and I went and joined the gym, and I still with the express intention of, I'm not changing anything else, but I'm going to go and lift some weights, right? And that's what I did to begin with. For the first few months, I was still smoking, still drinking, still partying, but I was going to the gym. Started off as two or three times a week, then it was three or four, and then four or five, and then a few months after I'd been going, I remember people started saying to me, you start going to the gym. And I was like, oh, yeah, I quite like this, especially when it was females. So that encouraged me, because it was actually a tangible that you don't really see it yourself as much so other people, when someone else sees it and sees the difference, then I started to kind of research and get into really understand training and nutrition, and gradually, over time, I cut down on my drinking, completely stopped smoking, don't, haven't done any form of narcotics for almost since then, nice like, it's a long, long time, I started changing the way I ate, and it happened gradually, right? And I've gone through ups and downs. Through those times, because there was a point where all I wanted to when I was in my early 30s, all I wanted to be was as big and as strong as possible. So I was eating and training like a power lifter at one point, and I was 100 kilos, which doesn't look good with a head this small. I don't like Martin Ford. If you tiny head, it is not a good look, so I had to grow a beard to make my face look bigger. And that so. And it was, I was, it was still one dimensional, right? I was just training to be big and strong. And I was big and strong, but I remember going to a yoga class with my girlfriend, the first one I ever went to. Destroyed each hall, right? And I was the only man in there. Everyone else was pretty much a middle aged woman, and I was humbled like I couldn't move. I was so stiff, and I was a puddle of sweat in this yoga class. It was not a challenging yoga class. And I realised at that point, and I was coming up towards the other mental change, like late 30s, and I realised that I probably needed to do, needed to make another change. I needed to change the way I was training, and I needed to focus more on longevity and performance and fitness and not just be big and strong. And so I just changed. I started cycling, I started doing mobility work. Changed the way I train, you know, and everything I do now is very much focused around functional strength and hybrid training, you know, being multi dimensional, to be able to run and cycle and do all of the other things move well, that that's important to me, and it becomes more important as I get older. I'm 45 now, so the more the older I get, the more I realise I need to be able to move well. And the more I see the people 10 years and 20 years and 30 years ahead of me who haven't or who don't do that, and I see the quality of their life deteriorating quite quickly, that is an incentive to me to do something about it. And the inspirational people to me are the guys you see are in their 60s and 70s and even 80s, 90s, sometimes we're still running and lifting weights and doing callisthenics or whatever. And I think like age is just such a bad excuse. We've kind of got used to the big condition into like, Oh, now you're in your 40s, you should just feel like, look and feel like shit. And that's not the case. And the there's so much and the information available is just not great. You see, gyms are full up and down the country, right as gyms are full of men in their 40s who are who could be saying, I'm too busy, but they're not. They're finding the time to go and train, but they're not getting the results that they don't ever go to the gym for 12 months, and it doesn't look like they've been to the gym for 12 months. They're putting in the work, but there's a missing piece, right? The training they're doing is probably some generic crap off online that was written by someone on steroids for someone on steroids, and then they're trying to train like some 20 year old kid on steroids, and it's just not going to work. And nutrition, so like an afterthought. And forget sleep and stress management. We don't worry about that stuff because we'll sleep when we're dead. And you wonder why we don't, why don't get anywhere, and then the end you probably end up more knackered than anything else. Yeah, sleep. That was my, that was my, yeah, that was my gradual change. Like it wasn't a big thing. And I would say to anyone else who's like, listening to this and thinking about, Oh, this resonates. I really need to kind of do something about my health. Don't try and do too much at once. Absolutely, biggest problem I see is people come on, they want to have a wholesale change in their life, and doesn't work. Doesn't work. It doesn't work. Like do pick a couple of things, like, walk every day, simple stuff, like, it's the gym. Here's the mindset that I try and give to people. The gym is for building up, not for breaking down and losing stuff. Yes, it's not for going you don't go to the gym to lose weight. You go to the gym to get stronger and fitter and prove your performance. You there's 168 hours in a week. If you spend three to five of those hours a week in the gym. You can, you can work flat out in those five hours, you're not going to outrun the other 163

KG SHORT STAY:

No, no. So

Unknown:

focus your energy on the 163 hours. You're not in the gym with good food, general movement, sleeping. In managing your stress, and then go to the gym to put the icing on the

KG SHORT STAY:

cake. Yeah, I spend an hour and a half to two hours in the gym each week. That's it, because I go to the gym with an intention of nailing a couple muscle groups, and then get out because I've stimulated the muscle for the building of those muscles, and then I focus on what I'm putting into my body and how often I'm moving it exactly,

Unknown:

exactly. The reality is, as you get older, in particular, less becomes more, because your ability to recover is reduced and also depend on like for me, I cycle quite a bit, and I run. So my i There's only so much you can do. There's only so much capacity you've got to do all of those things. What people the mistake a lot of people make is they try and they get a workout programme off the internet, which is a full strength training programme, and then get a running programme from somewhere else, and stack that on top. And now you're doing two full programmes, rather than blending the two. And you've got to make sure that your volume and the amount of work you're doing is suitable for for you and your current you've got to build it up slowly. You can't just go from zero to flat out, you will bury yourself eventually, and this, unfortunately, it's a it seems to be a lot of thing with men, right? It goes from zero to 100 and nothing in between. Any kind of like, try to do too much, too soon you end up injured and hurt and sick and like, less is more. You will this the tortoise and the head. You will definitely get further faster in the long run by not going crazy.

KG SHORT STAY:

So I think we've done a lot of stuff on the body so far. If you were to someone that wants to reclaim their health, Mister entrepreneur, that may have lost their way a little bit, you know, has got a bit of a belly on them, not happy with the way that they look or feel. What three to five things, simple things, would you tell them to do straight away that wouldn't overwhelm them and that they could get started quite easily with?

Unknown:

First and foremost, I'd probably say, and it's going to sound biassed, but I would say, get a coach, because it's the fastest way to get from A to B in anything that you don't know. Right. Good point, if you want to, it doesn't matter whether it's health or finances or something, find someone who's been, been there, done that, and has a track record, and go and get them to help you, because it's faster than anything. But if you want to try and go it alone. First and foremost, get the nutrition simplified and sorted out because reduce processed food. That's number one for most people foods. Yeah, 80% of the time at least whole food, focus on getting pro enough protein. You don't need to count you don't need to count calories or weigh your food and all that kind of stuff you can but there's a there's a margin in America.

KG SHORT STAY:

Get overwhelmed with that, and I say you don't need to do that. You just need to eat certain things,

Unknown:

correct? And the thing is, if you who wants to weigh and measure all of their food from now until the end of time, no one right? And are you going to do that when you go out? No. So while in my programme, there is a period of time where we use calorie tracking more as a awareness piece. The very beginning is very much focused on how using your hand as portion so your palm of your hand, the fitness and the depth, consider that to be one portion of protein. Now for me, I try and have two of these with most meals, right? So now I'm getting my protein. For example, two eggs is about one palm of protein. So for my, for me, my breakfast every day is four whole eggs and half an avocado, because of the avocado gives me fibre and some other good fats, right? So focus on simple simplifying your nutrition. Focus on whole foods. Second thing is get your sleep sorted, because get to

KG SHORT STAY:

it's like a chip code getting sleep sorted.

Unknown:

If you could put sleep into a syringe and inject it, it would be the most used drug for elite sports people. Yes, it has such an impact to your ability to perform mentally and physically, it can't be understated. And the more you build up a sleep debt. I Oh, I only need five hours. Bollocks. You don't need five hours. Everyone needs seven to nine. Like you just don't realise how freaking tired you are and the damage you're doing in the long. Long Term by not getting enough sleep. So I would get focus on your sleep. Get a regular bedtime, get a regular wake time, even on weekends, as much as possible, and then focus on how do you get good quality sleep? The usual stuff make the room dark. I use earplugs, silicon earplugs because, oh, okay, cool. Shuts the noise out and make sure the room is as cool as possible. Obviously, at different times a year is easier than than others, but that's it. Yeah. And then the third thing I would focus on is build movement into your day. Have non negotiables around movement. You're going to say movement everyone, because there are always ways to do it right. There's always ways to fit more movement in. I have a sit stand desk here. I'm sitting now for this, but I can stand underneath this. Sit stand desk. I have a walking pad, yes, so if I need to get great steps, yeah, for 300 quid, you can walk and do work, right? It works better for some work than others. If you've got to type quite a lot, it's quite hard, yeah, there are certain tasks where it works a lot better,

KG SHORT STAY:

but get outside as well. First, when you're on calls, it's great. I bet, when you're on calls, it's

Unknown:

fantastic, you know? Yeah, depending on the call, of course, obviously makes it noise can be a bit I honestly, I would try and keep it to those three things to begin with. Are focus on whole foods for nutrition, cut out as much of processed junk, as you can get if you go into the supermarket and it doesn't live like in that first bit, yeah, and comes in a colourful box. It's not food, it's a chemical experiment,

KG SHORT STAY:

which is 70% of the fucking supermarket,

Unknown:

correct. Yeah, correct. Most stuff in a supermarket isn't food, it's, it's, they're drugs, right? They're the sole purpose of those foods that are in brightly coloured packets are just to taste good so you eat more of them. Food isn't about being like, satiating hunger, like it's not that's not its job. It's job you want to fuel your body for health, performance and recovery, right? You are only a pile of the stuff you've eaten. If you were to Here's an analogy. I'd say that if you were building a house and you wanted to live in it for a long time? Would you find bits of rubble lying around and stick it all together and hope that it stays standing for as long as you need it? Or would you get the best materials that you could afford at the time? So this is the important part you don't have, like, it's it's got to fit to your budget. Yeah, absolutely. Pick you would pick the best materials, right? Well, yeah, why would we then scrimp on putting all sorts of crap into this house that we live in? Right? But we wouldn't do it for a physical like a building, yeah? So we need to

KG SHORT STAY:

we put better things into our cars than we put into our bodies. 100%

Unknown:

a lot of people feed their pets better than they feed themselves. Yeah, right,

KG SHORT STAY:

and this is the thing like you've picked out three things which would absolutely fundamentally change anyone's life. But when anyone wants to change their health and their fitness, everyone's first thought is go to the gym, when actually, that's probably the fourth or fifth thing that you should

Unknown:

start doing. You should definitely go strength training. Right? Strength Training is massively beneficial for immediate health, for longevity, the key markers for longevity and health span are physical strength, muscle mass and VO two, Max, yes, right. Sitting will kill you faster than smoking. That's yeah, right. Sitting is worse for your you could, if you a

KG SHORT STAY:

smoking marathon runner, would last longer than someone sitting in a chair just sat down all day.

Unknown:

Ridiculous, absolutely crazy. So we've got to get off our asses and move like that's the priority strength training, massively important. But move first, right? Just get more movement. More more more more more more movement. Yeah,

KG SHORT STAY:

no, absolutely. Okay, cool, fantastic, nice way to finish off the body. So the mind, we have touched a little bit on mindset. But do you have any sort of daily or weekly mindset practices that keeps your brain functioning really strong?

Unknown:

I have continuous I guess I don't. Really have set routines other than I meditate fairly regularly, but I'm not militant on,

KG SHORT STAY:

yeah, you do it when you feel like it, when you need it.

Unknown:

Sometimes it's kind of I would some. Sometimes I feel like the urge I need to do some work, so I get up and do that as a priority. Sometimes, then I might do a meditation at lunchtime or before I go to bed or something else, right? And I do Transcendental Meditation. I've done a few other ones, but I would highly recommend Transcendental Meditation. It's super, super easy. You have to go through TM themselves to be to learn Transcendental Meditation, but I would highly recommend it. It is super, super good for your for your brain, for your health, the recovery that meditation gives you. And Ray Dalio is a TM practitioner, and he cites his all of his success down to his ability to meditate. Wow. Like categorically, he said, above all else, things, transcendental meditation was the thing that's made the biggest difference in his life, and he that's why he thinks he got to where he got to. So I would definitely get some kind of meditation practice for me. Then it's about framing. So, as we touched on earlier, right? Life can be tough. Stuff's going to come your way. How you respond is purely down to the meaning you assign to experiences, yes, and there was a great episode of diary of the CEO a few weeks back, and there was a neuroscientist on there, and she was talking about, and if anyone's ever done anything with NLP, you'll understand. What she was saying was that our emotions are not the result of the experience. They are the result of the stimulus. So it could be, you know, sight, sound, touch, taste, whatever, coupled with our memory, aka our meaning of what those things are. And then we then experience the meaning that we've associated to it. So the example I give is if you had a barbecue planned for Saturday lunchtime, those people coming round, got all the food, got everything ready, and it absolutely pissed it down, but

KG SHORT STAY:

that happened,

Unknown:

yeah, exactly. You live in this country. You're going to but what does the rain mean to you? Then, like, how do you feel in that moment? And then take yourself into a different perspective and say you're a farmer, and actually, I saw Jeremy Carson talking do a video on this, I think yesterday or the day before, stood in a field because it hasn't rained for weeks on weeks and weeks and stuff doesn't grow in fields when it doesn't rain, right? So for farmers, when it doesn't rain, it's a massive it means a lot of things. It means lost earnings, it means stress, it means all the all of these things that we then associate it's the same fucking rain.

KG SHORT STAY:

Yeah, same things happening, two different things,

Unknown:

different correct? And so once you really understand that, and this is what I really try and work with people to understand, because this is the gateway to freedom. This is the gateway to mental health, in my opinion, is that if you can own your responses your or your own your meanings and your responses to stimulus, then you become mentally strong and mentally free. And that, for me is I'm continuously practising that, because it takes continuous practice, right? Every day, something's like a muscle, isn't it? Yeah, something's going to happen that tests you to how you're going to respond to it. Victor Frankel said in his book, Man's Search for Meaning that believe between stimulus and in and response lies a space, and in that space is our opportunity to grow. And what we have to practice doing is get making that space bigger. And for me, again, as I said, I'm autistic. Growing up, I went from zero to pissed off like that, wow. Okay, I struggled with road rage, snapping at people like all sorts of stuff. And I'm considerably different now, because I have that space. I'm not perfect, right? I fuck it up from time to time. It's impossible, but I know there's that space. Place. I also know that I get to choose how I feel about stuff, about what people say about situations and stuff that happen, and that's that they're the main things for me is meditation is good to rest the brain, in many ways, is better than sleep. And secondly, practice understanding your the meanings you're applying to a certain situation if you feel a certain way right now, there's so Tony Robbins puts it this way, yeah, hey, I was thinking Tony in my head, because he talks about that all the time, doesn't he? This is because, you know, Tony is like the NLP master and his he has this his life circumstance. When your life circumstances don't match the blueprint is when you experience pain and discomfort, right? So, like, what he means by is, if you're if where you are in life right this minute you're not happy with it's either you like is either there's either a problem with that, or your blueprint, which is what you ex you think life should be like, and to change how you feel, you either have to change your life circumstances, which is a slower measure for a lot of people, because if you're if you're in debt, right, you're not going to turn that around overnight. Or you change your blueprint, which means your expectations, and there's normally a mix of the two. And what Tony says is that when you feel out of control for it, you could, like your head, like you can't make a change. That's when you suffer, but you can always make a change, and that's the important part. Is only you. You only believe I'm stuck, and that that suffering and and unfortunately, when it comes to men, that's why men kill themselves, yeah, because they end up in this place where they feel like they're out of control, they don't have the choice. They're stuck. That's it. It's game like the life circumstances do not match the blueprint, and they feel there's nothing they can do about it. The only thing they can do is switch the lights out, and suicide is the leading cause of death in men under 50, and it could be prevented by understanding some of these simple tools,

KG SHORT STAY:

yeah. And I think you you grow and develop that over time, when you realise everything that you experience is within your control, that's when you actually go to exercise that muscle and make it stronger. I mean, it's only been recently that I've actually realised that I I'm, I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be. So, yeah, I I always felt like I need more. I want more. I haven't got what I want to get yet, right when, actually, I've come to realise I've got everything I want, I've got everything I need. I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be. I might achieve some more things in the future, and I'm planning to achieve some more things in the future. However, where I am right now, I'm absolutely perfectly fine, and and having that realisation gives you this sense of calm, and having sense of calm gives you control. And then therefore you're in that free space that you're talking about, you can become free of mind and go through life knowing that it's on your terms. And, yeah, and I think that's, that's a massive point, and I think a lot of people forget about the fact that they are in control, and that's when these suicides happen, definitely.

Unknown:

And I think you just touched on something. There's the magic word gratitude, right? It doesn't matter what situation you're in, gratitude, to be able to actually express emotional like deep rooted emotional gratitude, it could be for something really, really simple. It's the antidote to everything else, because you can't feel two things at the same time. No, right? You can't feel anger and happiness at the same time. You can buy one or the other. So if you're feeling like crap, if something's got on top of you, like, really focus on something you're deeply grateful for. And I don't mean just, oh, I'm grateful for that. Like, think about it on such a level that it can almost bring you to tears. That level of gratitude for something. It doesn't matter what it is, while you're doing that you can't be thinking, you can't be feeling the other thing. You can't be feeling anxiety, you can't be feeling depression, no, like that's your break from it, and it's it's so important that if you can practice gratitude on a daily basis and make it have been. Ritual, like, even if your life circumstances are bad, in your perspective, you're struggling, you know there's financial issues or the businesses problems, or blah, blah, blah, there is always something to be grateful for. I go back to victory Frankel, when he was during the Second World War. He was in Auschwitz, and as a psychologist, he had a unique perspective, right? Because he was observing and experiencing all at the same time, but also being a psychologist, and he noticed that even in those horrendous days where people are dying and the suffering, they were freezing to death and there's no food that there were, people were having moments of joy, even if it was like sharing the end of a cigarette butt, or they had a tiny little piece of chicken in their soup, and he realised that joy is not dependent, not dependent on the situation or the circumstance. It's a choice. You get to make that choice, and I think that's incredibly powerful when you when you understand that, and it takes practice honestly, like someone listening to this is going to think, what load of bollocks, but it's actually, if you practice it, it becomes true, like you take the power back. Do you want to be empowered or disempowered? Like for me, when I think, okay, I own the meaning, I own the response. I've got the power, but if it's happening to me, I'm powerless, right? I'm just a victim, and that's not a way to live. I mean, it'd be freaking miserable for a long time if everything happens to you,

KG SHORT STAY:

right? Yeah, you want choice. Yeah, no, absolutely. And that, and that's it, I think, being able to control your mind and be clear and understand that you're in again, you're in control. That's, that's, that's it, to mastering, mastering your mind and having a healthy mind at the end of the day. But again, it's supported by a healthy body, you know,

Unknown:

right? Because imagine, like, if you're knackered, you wake up in the morning, you're tired the day gets you're going through meetings, you're going through this stuff, and you're struggling just get through the day, and then you get home like there's nothing left. And how are you likely to have a positive outlook. How are you likely to be able to use that the extra especially when you first start doing this stuff, it takes more effort. If you haven't got the energy to do it, it becomes a lot harder. So I think for me, everyone needs to focus first. There's always been this conversation, what comes first? Mindset, or Yeah, mindset, I help, and I've gone round and round in this circle, and I've come to the conclusion that although it's a decision to do something about your health, obviously originate. Everything comes out from a thought and a decision. The reality is, your foundation is your health to sustain. You need your help. The higher and the wider you can build that foundation. If you think of the strong body, the strong mind, the strong characters that being that pyramid and that those three combined as your potential to perform and to get the life that you want, then that base, the bit, the wider and The taller you can build it, the taller your pyramid goes right. So you've got to get that first bit sorted, and then you've got to get the mind, and I'll just touch quickly, on the character side of things, because the reason I built character in is because I look at the body and the mind as being your ability to handle the stuff that's coming at you and do this the character is how you show up, right? Because you can have a you can be super healthy. You can have all you can be have a great mindset and be mentally strong, but you can still be a twat, right? You can still show up. Andrew, takes a great example I'll give you heat priorities in his health. He's, he's a clever guy. He's mo he's, he's mentally strong, but he's a bit of a twat, like he's got bad Superman. He could be really, really good, right? Because a lot of what he says is true, a lot of what he says is right. The game is rigged. There's a lot of stuff that is going against, but you don't have to be aggressive and shouty and put other people down and make other people suffer. If you want to. I honestly believe that if you want to go, if you want to, if you want to achieve a deeply fulfilling and successful life, you've got to help other people do the same thing. You've got to lift other people up. It's easy to knock people down. It's easy to throw sling mud at people online because of this and that that's the easiest, the weak thing to do, right? Weak people, knock people down. Strong people bring lift people up. Strong people make the path. A bigger not come from a place of scarcity and lack and knock other people down, and that you've got to build a I believe that the capstone is building that character, and it takes effort, but you again, it sits on top of the other two. It's like hard to have that top bit without the bottom too.

KG SHORT STAY:

Yeah, yeah, like building a house with weak foundations, isn't it exactly?

Unknown:

We're trying to put a roof on on a stick. Yeah?

KG SHORT STAY:

Excellent. So this definitely has been a lot more health focused than some of the other stuff that I've done with the accountants that I've interviewed, which, which is great, but just moving on to a little bit of bank account stuff. So you you left a, you know, a a secure job, a regular income, you've sort of touched on it before. You put things into pots, but obviously, when you left that income stream stopped, what did you do to protect your financial security?

Unknown:

Auto invest. Okay, cool. So if you for most platforms, right, most investing platforms, I was, here's my take on this is not financial advice by put

KG SHORT STAY:

that disclaimer in

Unknown:

Yeah, where's the where's the thing? Yeah. But there's a couple of guys that I massively respect, a friend of mine, Andy Craig, who wrote a book called How to own the world, and Ramit SETI, who had a Netflix series and a book called I'll teach you to be rich, both of those guys advocate simplifying investing so avoid for the vast majority, individual stocks and shares and of particular businesses and stuff. Right? Focus more on market scale, global scale, ETFs that you can track entire markets, because over history, the last 100 years, the s and p5 100, for example, is averaged seven to 10% return every year, right? Which conveniently is about the realistic inflation rate on average over the same period of time. It's hardly a surprise that a lot of assets tend to go up in the same kind of rate as inflation. So if your money's sat in cash, it's devaluing by the rate of inflation every single day and every single week and every single month and year, right? So when I first started investing, I was like, trying to pick companies and stocks, and I was doing the Warren Buffett kind of value investing, but it's a lot more work, yes. So I would highly recommend pick up both of those books, how to own the world, and I'll teach you to be rich simple strategies where you can buy ETFs, which are just kind of a box of the trackers that track certain market. So I have a variety of these different ETFs that are have different risk exposures to them depending on how many equity what percentage of equities, like stocks, are in each of those ETFs, and I have cash sat in an account, and it automatically every month, just goes into as I've set it up to divide it, and it just goes and does it automatically every month, because it what it does. Then it doesn't matter what the market's doing, it goes up and it goes down. But I just it, just, I don't look at it. I forget it's even there most of the time. And it just invests every month on repeat. And I use interactive investor. There's not an advert. I'm not affiliated with them in any way. But a lot of these platforms, like II, well, if you do, you also invest, you don't pay trades on them, so you're just paying your monthly subscription for the platform, excellent. And I have that set up for my for for stocks and shares isas, and I have it set up for my sip, my self invested pension. And that's you want to take the stress away. I also put some money. I put money into gold that's been amazing in the last few years, and that just sits in the in a vault in Switzerland somewhere. And that's that's like the long term storm. So it's just that, that's what I would recommend, is just far just small amounts on a regular basis, just start putting away. Even platforms like nutmeg

KG SHORT STAY:

are great, right? Like, set it and forget it, type of things, correct? You don't want to

Unknown:

be doing the thinking. Definitely don't go chasing shiny objects of crypto and stuff like that, unless you've already got loads of cash and you've got to put a little bit in it. Like. You're going to the casino, and you may or may not get lucky over the next 10 years, but only look at it for like the next like as it has to be in there for 10 years. Don't look don't go in now. And if Warren Buffett's rule, and every time I've failed to adhere to this rule in anything stands true, be greedy when others are fearful, and fearful when others are greedy. Yeah. So if it's all over social media, bitcoins at this and ah, blah, blah, run the mile. Wait until no one's talking about like, now, right? No one's talking about Bitcoin. Are they now's probably a better time if you wanted to go and have a dabble with it now would probably be better time. Even a couple of weeks or so ago would probably be even better. That's usually started talking

KG SHORT STAY:

about it again, because it's going up a little bit more now. But

Unknown:

that's the thing, as it starts to trick up, tickle up, yeah, the more noise you hear, the less you should

KG SHORT STAY:

be going. They say, when your Barber's talking about it, that's not the time

Unknown:

to buy. Yeah, exactly when. And also when. The evangelists have only got good, new good things to say. Run them off, because nothing's only good,

KG SHORT STAY:

excellent. So just to finish off bank account, then really like that advice. Actually, no one's mentioned that, but that's really a great top tip is that dollar cost averaging, set it and forget it. Type of put it into safe investments that are going to take the stress away over a period of time. You know, you've got it emergency fund, then you can focus on your income. But have you got, like, a productivity hack or performance hack that you've implemented, you know, in the last few years, that has boosted your bottom line,

Unknown:

I would say so for me, like a lot of people, I am a Olympic level procrastinator. If I don't get hold of myself, I could be an elite level procrastinator if I don't get hold of myself, and I have to, for me, I find it just do something in the beginning. At the beginning of the day is the most important thing. Picks up. Pick a thing that you need to get done, and get that thing done. Well, I used to be guilty of was I plan my week out, and I would try and fit a month's worth of stuff into a week or a day, like, oh, yeah, I can do this. I'm time blocking my calendar specifically for this task and that task. But anyone knows if you, especially if you're running your own business, nothing takes the time it should take. Like, there's a my Andy Craig, who wrote that book, How to Learn the world. I think he said, like you multiply it however long you think something's going to take, you multiply it by pi, because it's always, it just always extends. There's no way that it's got you think, oh, that's going to take an hour, but your login doesn't work, or something else doesn't. You know what I mean, it's like you always so for me, hit my my advice now is just block out chunks of work time and then try and get as much stuff done in that block of work time. One other thing I've got, and I've got this here, is, like a little Oh

KG SHORT STAY:

timer, yeah. If you're against the clock, you work better, yeah.

Unknown:

And for me, like a lot of people, they could Pomodoro 20 minutes doesn't work. For me, it's too short, because it takes, takes me 10 minutes for my bright brain to get stop flicking between tabs and doing other stuff, right? I've got to get into like, Oh no, I don't I don't need to look at LinkedIn again. I've got to go and do this thing. So I set it for 90 minutes, and then at the end of 90 minutes, I get up, go to loo, have a drink of water or something, and then if I've got time for another block of 90, I'll do another 90, but I will always try and do at least 60, because the short term 2020, and 10 doesn't work for me. I just, I wouldn't it's too much task switching. So it's that you have to find what works for you. But I would say

KG SHORT STAY:

everyone's different, but certainly the the tip of blocking out your time and and working against the timer and getting something done at the beginning of the day, you know, you can adjust those however you want to do it. You know, whatever works for you, like my my time limit is 90 minutes. Like, I can't really work at my peak for more than 90 minutes, so I always block out an hour to 90 and then set myself a timer, and then that's it. Well, usually I can get most sort of high value tasks done within that time, but sometimes I have to go back to them. If it's a bigger

Unknown:

task. The other thing I would get, I would say is there's a Spotify playlist. Let me, I'll share it with you after this and then. But for me, I use noise cancelling headphones when I'm working, especially when I've got stuff that I need to get through. So I've got noise cancelling headphones on, and I use a. Spotify playlist called Focus, frequency, forward slash brain music. And

KG SHORT STAY:

I've got an app called Brain FM, which is, I used to use

Unknown:

brain FM, and then I was already paying for Spotify, so I was like, Well, I can get the same. It's a good point, yeah, and not to I mean, I liked brain FM for a while, but I found that the it rotated the songs too quickly, and then they're becoming the pattern, and it was starting to drive right. You need some variation. I need variation. So the Spotify playlist has got, I don't know how many I hope this doesn't end up playing. It's got, wow. So 382 tracks on it, all right? Yeah, Dave, shuffle mode, so it doesn't come out in the same order all the time, right? And then it just, it just a way of blocking stuff out so I don't hear dogs barking and people talking and other distractions.

KG SHORT STAY:

Awesome. Great, hack, cool. So coming to the end now, thank you for all those great, great tips and insight. Dave, just some quick fire questions, just to wrap things up, what's your favourite book? Oh, let's pick one.

Unknown:

Huh, good to pick one. It's a really, really tough question. Really, really tough question. I mean, Think and Grow Rich will always hold a special place for me, because it started everything that I've done in the last seven years from that point, but I was, yeah, maybe Think and Grow

KG SHORT STAY:

Rich, allow you to think and grow rich, and Seven

Unknown:

Habits of Highly Effective People would probably be up there. Steve Covey, yeah,

KG SHORT STAY:

yeah. Excellent, really, good book,

Unknown:

right? It's not just financial, it's just, it's a it's a way of thinking, and it so it brings in a lot of the other stuff that we've talked about, the Victor Frankl kind of side of things.

KG SHORT STAY:

And, yeah, yeah, no, definitely I'd agree with that. Um, at your funeral, how do you want to be remembered? What would you like people to say about you?

Unknown:

Um, what would I like people to say about me, that I made a difference, that I help people to fulfil their potential? I think that would make that would make me happy. I realised in the corporate world the thing that thing that I changed when I knew that I couldn't change my immediate situation. I could only change the way I thought about it was, rather than seeing my corporate job as being this soulless thing in a corporate cog that meant nothing, which is basically what it was I could focus on the things that I could put better meaning on, and my focus became developing other people, to help other people to see beyond their current role and to see possibility and to want to do More stuff, to dream more and to then follow that dream through, because I found so many people stuck in this, in a box in their head of, well, this is the job I've got, which wasn't planned. It's a series as a result of a series of other decisions. And then I would say to it, when I was ever I was hiring people, I'd say, what would you where do you see yourself after this? And almost entirely, the response I got was, well, it depends what opportunities are available, yeah, like that says to me is there's no plan. This job isn't a plan. There's no plan for the next thing life is happening. And in I think it was Jim Ron said, you know, if you don't, if you don't have a plan, you're going to fall into someone else's Yes, right? So you, I think, for me, is that would be, I would like to wake help people to realise their potential and live that live a deep and fulfilling

KG SHORT STAY:

life. Excellent. Okay, cool. Um, if you could leave our listeners as one thing today, what would it

Unknown:

be? One thing, health, focus on your health. If I could do one thing, focus on your health. It's the foundation of everything else. I'm not saying everything else isn't massively important. But beyond anything else, health is the most important thing. If, well, that, I think, is a saying that says, like a poor person has 1000 10,000 wish. Is a rich man, a poor, sick, rich man has one, then that's to be healthy, right? So if you you've got to really focus, it's just, I can't get it across enough. You don't need to be an athlete, no. But you need to, you need to be fit and healthy. And also, it's not just for you, right? The NHS is, if you listen to this, in the UK, the NHS is on its knees because of over utilisation and wastage, more than it is the lack of funding. Right? At some there's an inflection point. If everybody is sick, there's there's no amount of money that's ever going to be able to put into that system to support people and get them better. So we need to take the responsibility ourselves to not place a demand on the system so that it still exists, so that it's there to catch us if we need it should

KG SHORT STAY:

be a premium for fat people,

Unknown:

then you end up in the China Social credit system, and I don't want to be scored on whether how much steak I ate this week. Rather, everyone just said, I tell you what I want to live. Because here's one thing I noticed, right? We all have different goals, or we voice different goals, but they all lead to the same thing, right? We all just want to live the best life possible. We want to all want to be happy. We all want to feel fulfilled. We all just want that a great life. The vehicle, the first part of the vehicle to get in there is your health. The second part is your mind, and the third part is how you treat other people, yeah,

KG SHORT STAY:

yeah, no, totally agree. So start with your health, everyone. That's the foundation of everything. Last one, then what's one habit that you'd wish you'd adopted earlier that transformed your life?

Unknown:

Taking responsibility, interesting, 100%

KG SHORT STAY:

everything that happens to you

Unknown:

correct. It's because that's your that's where you have choice, right? If, if, if you don't take responsibility, it's not your fault. Responsibilities, even fault are not the same thing. It's not your fault if someone crashes into you, it's not your fault if someone rips you off. It's not your fault. If you're one of your parent your parents were alcoholics or whatever, bad situations or situations have happened to get you to wherever you are now, but it's entirely your responsibility to from this second, because there's no going back. It's only in a like the memory is an illusion. You can't do anything about it. It's gone. Yeah, Alan. Alan Watts, I was highly also highly recommend everyone just listen to Alan Watts. I won't explain him too much, unbelievable, but he had a saying that says the Wake doesn't drive the ship right. And if you think about that as a ship crossing the ocean, it leaves a trail. But the trail is not pushing the ship that's our life, the past is gone, other than in our memory. We get to choose how much we focus on that and how much we kind of take away our own power as a result of that, you can do something about now. You've got well, but it's not fair. Not fair, no, yeah, right. And you could be absolutely justified in being angry and upset and all of these things. But where do you want to go is? Is your response right now, getting you to where you want to go? Yeah, that person says something is being rude back to them actually going to have a positive outcome? No? Or is it just or is it just your ego?

KG SHORT STAY:

That's what I mean. Yeah, right.

Unknown:

For me, one habit would be take full and complete responsibility, and it's hard because you say yeah, but

KG SHORT STAY:

yeah, but yeah, you're trying to make it not your fault when it really

Unknown:

is. Oh, entirely it was. You're trying to make it so that you're abdicating responsibility. I don't need to. Oh, I'm, I'm just feel this way because. That makes me feel here's another here's a saying you need to get out that makes me feel that way. You made me feel no one may feel. Made you feel that way. You feel that way by choice. Chose to feel that way in response. And we can all agree like being rude to someone isn't a good thing to do. Be like part of having a strong character is actually you're not. You don't set out to hurt anyone else like there's no the motto is just don't be a dick, right? Don't set out to deliberately harm someone else. You make mistakes and then own the mistake. Yeah? But you've got to say, I felt that way. When you said that, I felt this. Hmm, that's interesting, isn't it? It's a different way of saying when you said that, it made it made me feel. It didn't make you feel, I felt that, yeah, and then you can under start to understand why did I feel that? That's, that's what I would

KG SHORT STAY:

say. Okay, cool. Take responsibility. Excellent. Cool. So last, but not least, where can listeners find you and connect with Dave or real man? Best

Unknown:

Place is probably go on LinkedIn, find just look for there's, unfortunately, there's a lot, probably a lot of David bells. But if you go LinkedIn, forward slash real, hyphen, health, hyphen, performance, then you'll find me. Yeah,

KG SHORT STAY:

and Dave's details will be in the description of this episode. So if you want to go on there, you can get Dave's details on there as well. So thank you very much for joining us, Dave. Really appreciate all your time. It's been a good interview talking about health and how that's the foundation of everything. So I think that's probably a great place to start for everyone. So thank you very much. This has been David Bell and grant Hutchby on the carnivore Entrepreneur Show. Thank you very much. Take care, Dave. Cheers, mate. If this episode resonated with you, share it with someone who needs to hear it. You are a carnivore entrepreneur, live life how it was supposed to be lived on your terms with strength, energy and purpose. I'll see you on the next episode. You.